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Yeah, it would be scooting, it's achievable just whether I can pull it off with the handful of digitals and gears I have on hand is what's in question
Well you're already pretty darned close from the numbers you've shown.

I need to shave another 0.5 second off my 6S 0-60mph times.

My XTR is out next for some speed runs, also on 6S. I'm not shooting for 90 mph, not yet. 🤣

I reckon I might be good for 82 mph though.....🤞😅
 
Sorry for not posting in a while - the last week has been off the charts unpleasant.

Normal service will resume shortly....

Briefly, a member of the family had taken their own life, with no warning. We're still awaiting the autopsy/post mortem. No one at this stage knows when the funeral is.

Then, the day after this, one of our beloved cats, Harley, keeled over - panting and breathing like the clappers. We thought it might be a touch of heat stroke, as he was asleep in front of the French doors in direct sunlight. It was 7:30pm, so after hours emergency vet it was. Turns out, he had Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (HCM) and Thromboembolism.

Therapy would not have been the kindest option for Harley, as clots are known to cause various degrees of paralysis and acute pain during episodes. We believe Harley was already experiencing such episodes since moving home, where we saw him dragging his back left leg on a few occasions. There was only one kind option and the decision shouldn't have felt as tough as it did.

On Friday, I was burying our beloved Harley, feeling 'below par' when I receive a phone call. It's my steel workbench. The company had promised an email on completion of said bench, to arrange a day to deliver. Instead, it's the lorry driver, asking what I'd like to do with it, because he'd knocked the door and no one was home. I greeted him around the front - and standing 2.2 metres high was my bench, on end, on a pallet. 100kg. I asked if the driver would lay it down with me. Basically his answer was 'no'. Then the bare faced cheek of it - he asked me for directions for his next 3 drops. 🙄🤣 The thought of digging a bigger hole did cross my mind...😝

I arranged with my brother in law to lay it down and then we got it into position in the garage.

Surely now, our luck would change? Nope. Saturday morning, we received a phonecall stating that another family member was given 24 hours to live. On Sunday, we had word that he too has passed.

Looks like we could end up being double booked with funerals. Is that normal? 🤔

Needless to say, Flying and RC stuff have taken a back seat whilst we re-group.

I will however be fitting some workshop lighting today - it's therapeutic! 😁
 
Jesus. :oops: :confused: Sending prayers, healing vibes, good thoughts, burnt chickens, whatever it takes to help you through my brother. 🙏

Personally, I would have given the hairy 🫏 driver stupendously erroneous directions as a thanks. Quite possibly to the next highway where the next exit is at least 50 miles away.

Stay strong and fall back on us if ya need. 🙏
 
Well, I'm still at work but my head is vaguely in the shed.....but perhaps that isn't metaphorical because I'm keeping busy with installation of additional lighting, wiring and power points in the garage. 😅

My wife is really struggling at the moment, but we're to expect loss at this stage in our lives - it's impossible to avoid - and we're fortunate enough that we can still shoulder it together.
 
Damn H, that’s a rough spot.

My thoughts are with you guys, hopefully a little “shop maintenance” will help keep you busy. Most of the time I probably push myself too far but I do know that staying busy helps me out tremendously when I’m going through stuff.

All my best to you and your Mrs H!
 
The XTR is now hitting 69 mph on 6S and the limitations of the chassis layout are beginning to show.

Potentially, the XTR has plenty left to give.

However, the primary limiting factor with the Kronos is: the centre driveline angles.

The position of the centre diff and motor mount produces a sub-par angle for both centre driveshafts, but it's worse on the front.

Re-arranging this required some thought, as replacing the chassis with Carbon Fibre isn't as straightforward as you might think.

The first problem is that to get the drive straight, there are braces in the way.

The second issue - is that the Kronos has about 6° of kick-up on the 7075 chassis. For this to be retained in a Carbon Fibre Chassis, it would need to be moulded in during the lay-up. Not really an option for me at this time. Using Carbon Fibre sheet, kick up will be 0°, which reduces overall caster angle accordingly.

Third issue - moving the diff towards the middle with and using the same length centre driveshafts requires increasing the distance between the front and rear transmission cases by around 5mm.

Fourth issue - as the whole driveline is centralised, more space is required on the left side of the chassis to accommodate the battery and ESC, which may require elimination of the chassis guard on that side.

Fifth issue - the angle on the steering servo is no longer required, so as there is more space, it would seem daft not to optimise the mounting point and linkage arrangement. Ditto for the radio box.

Watch this space....
 
The XTR is now hitting 69 mph on 6S and the limitations of the chassis layout are beginning to show.

Potentially, the XTR has plenty left to give.

However, the primary limiting factor with the Kronos is: the centre driveline angles.

The position of the centre diff and motor mount produces a sub-par angle for both centre driveshafts, but it's worse on the front.

Re-arranging this required some thought, as replacing the chassis with Carbon Fibre isn't as straightforward as you might think.

The first problem is that to get the drive straight, there are braces in the way.

The second issue - is that the Kronos has about 6° of kick-up on the 7075 chassis. For this to be retained in a Carbon Fibre Chassis, it would need to be moulded in during the lay-up. Not really an option for me at this time. Using Carbon Fibre sheet, kick up will be 0°, which reduces overall caster angle accordingly.

Third issue - moving the diff towards the middle with and using the same length centre driveshafts requires increasing the distance between the front and rear transmission cases by around 5mm.

Fourth issue - as the whole driveline is centralised, more space is required on the left side of the chassis to accommodate the battery and ESC, which may require elimination of the chassis guard on that side.

Fifth issue - the angle on the steering servo is no longer required, so as there is more space, it would seem daft not to optimise the mounting point and linkage arrangement. Ditto for the radio box.

Watch this space....
I’ve looked at changing the layout myself, maybe going 8s with dual battery pack layout, similar to rc8te. I didn’t consider moving diff rear wards as would rule out dual battery pack layout, but could maybe use driveshafts from kagama as its diff more centrally located. The Kronos & kagama have same wheelbase but kagama chassis a few mm longer (this accommodates additional bolt holes on abcd blocks) I have looked at scorched rc titanium driveshafts before not specifically for corally but if check measurements can find some to suit Kronos, tworks also do titanium driveshaft I’ve used in my buggy. I’ve layed it out on chassis before , be a tight fit, motor size would be restricted to stock can size. Look fwd to seeing what route you take with it. Seems I’ve deleted pics where I layed it out on chassis but I have already purchased the battery packs to do it, might be a project for over the winter. Adu released a chassis for Asuga where servo & esc been relocated might be worth a look.

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I’ve looked at changing the layout myself, maybe going 8s with dual battery pack layout, similar to rc8te. I didn’t consider moving diff rear wards as would rule out dual battery pack layout, but could maybe use driveshafts from kagama as its diff more centrally located. The Kronos & kagama have same wheelbase but kagama chassis a few mm longer (this accommodates additional bolt holes on abcd blocks) I have looked at scorched rc titanium driveshafts before not specifically for corally but if check measurements can find some to suit Kronos, tworks also do titanium driveshaft I’ve used in my buggy. I’ve layed it out on chassis before , be a tight fit, motor size would be restricted to stock can size. Look fwd to seeing what route you take with it. Seems I’ve deleted pics where I layed it out on chassis but I have already purchased the battery packs to do it, might be a project for over the winter. Adu released a chassis for Asuga where servo & esc been relocated might be worth a look.

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The Kronos XTR 7075 chassis is 3mm thick, though I note at the rear of the Chassis, I was measuring 3.9mm.

New chassis is being fabricated with 5mm Carbon Fibre 0-90-0-90-0 with glossy twill finish.

A key advantage with it being >25% thicker and WCF, is that it should be significantly stiffer. There should be less need for chassis bracing.

By moving the motor inwards, it opens up options. The plastic guards may still be used, or forfeited for nice, flat usable mounting space.

I note that there's about 10mm spare space between the plastic guards and the Kronos body, so, you know, the Carbon chassis can be made generously proportioned and still end up being no wider than the stock chassis with guards.

The Kagama centre driveshafts might be an option. Good idea!

The front centre is 85.5mm, the rear centre is 110mm.

I'll see what driveshaft options there are as well. Do you know how long the Scorched centre driveshafts are?

TP motors might be a nice option moving forward, with an upgraded ESC. 🤘
 
The Kronos XTR 7075 chassis is 3mm thick, though I note at the rear of the Chassis, I was measuring 3.9mm.

New chassis is being fabricated with 5mm Carbon Fibre 0-90-0-90-0 with glossy twill finish.

A key advantage with it being >25% thicker and WCF, is that it should be significantly stiffer. There should be less need for chassis bracing.

By moving the motor inwards, it opens up options. The plastic guards may still be used, or forfeited for nice, flat usable mounting space.

I note that there's about 10mm spare space between the plastic guards and the Kronos body, so, you know, the Carbon chassis can be made generously proportioned and still end up being no wider than the stock chassis with guards.

The Kagama centre driveshafts might be an option. Good idea!

The front centre is 85.5mm, the rear centre is 110mm.

I'll see what driveshaft options there are as well. Do you know how long the Scorched centre driveshafts are?

TP motors might be a nice option moving forward, with an upgraded ESC. 🤘
When I looked at purchasing a rig I looked at Kronos kagama Asuga was able to find titanium driveshafts for Kronos Asuga but only front for kagama if I recall correctly. I think 85.5 & 110 length are same as the buggy, think you may have rear measurement wrong. I used tworks 84.5mm in front for sworkz, rear 112mm from mugen on my buggy. When looking for Kronos shafts Of top my head scorched do 85mm & 168mm rear, I believe Kronos 85.5 & 170mm.

Here’s link to Scorched shafts, on sale atm

https://scorchedparts.co.uk/product...e-drive-shaft-notorious-outcast-typhon-senton

115.5/ 141.5 kagama

Memory correct only able find driveshaft correct length for front on kagama. But here’s link to tworks shafts, if ordering them they took a month to arrive.

https://www.rc-tworks.com/search?q=titanium+driveshaft+
 

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I’ll be adding the scorched to my Kronos build when funds permit, I’ll use orings in cups at rear make up the 2mm as I did with the tworks 84.5mm in front of my buggy, though I see they now do an 85mm for the infinity would have been better fit, must be recently added or I missed it back then.
 
When I looked at purchasing a rig I looked at Kronos kagama Asuga was able to find titanium driveshafts for Kronos Asuga but only front for kagama if I recall correctly. I think 85.5 & 110 length are same as the buggy, think you may have rear measurement wrong. I used tworks 84.5mm in front for sworkz, rear 112mm from mugen on my buggy. When looking for Kronos shafts Of top my head scorched do 85mm & 168mm rear, I believe Kronos 85.5 & 170mm.

Here’s link to Scorched shafts, on sale atm

https://scorchedparts.co.uk/product...e-drive-shaft-notorious-outcast-typhon-senton

115.5/ 141.5 kagama

Memory correct only able find driveshaft correct length for front on kagama. But here’s link to tworks shafts, if ordering them they took a month to arrive.

https://www.rc-tworks.com/search?q=titanium+driveshaft+
Yes, it's highly likely the driveshaft lengths I stated are wrong - I was lazy and took the measurements straight from the manual. 😬 My bad. I know that Corally part description and labelling are.....a bit of a lottery. I'm going to measure them tomorrow. Measure twice. Buy once! 🤣

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I've already found my servo mount! 😁

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Cheers for the single Ti shaft link! 🤩

I think as the new chassis is effectively a blank canvas, I'll roll with a position of the centre differential such that I can use readily available Scorched parts. I want to keep the weight forward design of the XTR as much as I can - it's a great handling rig.

The hardened carbon cross pins will extend the usable life of the dogbones and the outputs. 💪😎

The planned upgrades for my XTR should future proof it for a couple of years. Making it lighter, stiffer and faster.

I really appreciate the help guys - it's saving time, something I'm short on lately.

Photos to follow in due course. 👍
 
Yes, it's highly likely the driveshaft lengths I stated are wrong - I was lazy and took the measurements straight from the manual. 😬 My bad. I know that Corally part description and labelling are.....a bit of a lottery. I'm going to measure them tomorrow. Measure twice. Buy once! 🤣

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I've already found my servo mount! 😁

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Cheers for the single Ti shaft link! 🤩

I think as the new chassis is effectively a blank canvas, I'll roll with a position of the centre differential such that I can use readily available Scorched parts. I want to keep the weight forward design of the XTR as much as I can - it's a great handling rig.

The hardened carbon cross pins will extend the usable life of the dogbones and the outputs. 💪😎

The planned upgrades for my XTR should future proof it for a couple of years. Making it lighter, stiffer and faster.

I really appreciate the help guys - it's saving time, something I'm short on lately.

Photos to follow in due course. 👍
Your creating alot of work for yourself, I get the idea but I’m not sure if moving driveline so it straight will gain alot, I know a lot of other rc have this layout but on actual cars the diff being offset to the side is quite common, I not sure to the pros & cons to it maybe worth doing a little homework on it first. But the layout I considered copying rc8te I found only loose front chassis brace, & depending what power system your going for , you don’t need to change orientation of servo if going max8, if cut out receiver box a max8 fits easily, if going max6 you may need to shave or remove on of the posts holds servo & maybe trim side guard, obviously relocate receiver but plenty small receiver boxes can easily located elsewhere, even a small receiver box on top centre diff if run out space on chassis I wish I hadn’t deleted those photos but I had made esc templates trying it out 🤦🏻‍♂️. But happy help if any my waffle does

Scorched driveshafts will be different diameters I haven’t tried but should fit drive cups 🤞. I remember looking before can’t remember length but they’re rear titanium dog bones for typhon will fit corally buggy too I think if anyone interested, not sure if anything else is compatible saw someone with kraton hubs & axles on shogun so maybe more scorched parts fit if know measurements
 

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Your creating alot of work for yourself, I get the idea but I’m not sure if moving driveline so it straight will gain alot, I know a lot of other rc have this layout but on actual cars the diff being offset to the side is quite common, I not sure to the pros & cons to it maybe worth doing a little homework on it first. But the layout I considered copying rc8te I found only loose front chassis brace, & depending what power system your going for , you don’t need to change orientation of servo if going max8, if cut out receiver box a max8 fits easily, if going max6 you may need to shave or remove on of the posts holds servo & maybe trim side guard, obviously relocate receiver but plenty small receiver boxes can easily located elsewhere, even a small receiver box on top centre diff if run out space on chassis I wish I hadn’t deleted those photos but I had made esc templates trying it out 🤦🏻‍♂️. But happy help if any my waffle does
I'm taking a no compromise approach. I'm only making the Kronos XTR replacement chassis once. If it's no good, I'll put it back to standard.

I noticed an obvious difference in my gearing and rollout speed calculator. On the Sworkz, my calculator was only 0.3mph away from real world results, but on the XTR, I was 3mph off. I want some of those lost MPH's back! Gimme! 😝

The loss I believe is coming from sub optimal angles on the driveline. I note that all decent racing e truggies have perfect straight line drive trains. Adjustable diff heights etc - it makes a difference.

At this stage, I'm looking at improving speed run performance more than off road handling, but making a rig stronger, lighter, stiffer has got to make it better at most things.

If I was a Kraton owner right now, I'd be ordering this:
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It resolves many issues. The slab of Carbon Fibre I just bought costs about the same.

Whilst I am a huge advocate of the Kronos, offerings like this are simply not available for the Corally rigs. It's a real shame, because they deserve the same level of aftermarket love.

Thus I'm making life difficult for myself. My fabricated chassis will not be as sexy as Scorched, but, I'll be attaching things to my hand fettled Chassis that are really nice. 😅

If you move your driveline centrally your driveshafts will be shorter need measurements before you buy.
Yep. I calculated about 5mm, but noted that there's about that much slop in the centre drive shafts anyway. I may need to move the transmission cases further out, or amend the choice of drive shafts.

I'd sooner not increase the wheelbase and keep it compatible with the stock bodies I have.

I'll know more over the weekend. 🤞
 
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I'm taking a no compromise approach. I'm only making the Kronos XTR replacement chassis once. If it's no good, I'll put it back to standard.

I noticed an obvious difference in my gearing and rollout speed calculator. On the Sworkz, my calculator was only 0.3mph away from real world results, but on the XTR, I was 3mph off. I want some of those lost MPH's back! Gimme! 😝

The loss I believe is coming from sub optimal angles on the driveline. I note that all decent racing e truggies have perfect straight line drive trains. Adjustable diff heights etc - it makes a difference.

At this stage, I'm looking at improving speed run performance more than off road handling, but making a rig stronger, lighter, stiffer has got to make it better at most things.

If I was a Kraton owner right now, I'd be ordering this:
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It resolves many issues. The slab of Carbon Fibre I just bought costs about the same.

Whilst I am a huge advocate of the Kronos, offerings like this are simply not available for the Corally rigs. It's a real shame, because they deserve the same level of aftermarket love.

Thus I'm making life difficult for myself. My fabricated chassis will not be as sexy as Scorched, but, I'll be attaching things to my hand fettled Chassis that are really nice. 😅


Yep. I calculated about 5mm, but noted that there's about that much slop in the centre drive shafts anyway. I may need to move the transmission cases further out, or amend the choice of drive shafts.

I'd sooner not increase the wheelbase and keep it compatible with the stock bodies I have.

I'll know more over the weekend. 🤞
If your calculations are right loose 5mm scorched do 82mm front 168mm rear should be perfect for you. And if you want to shave more weight here’s some carbon shock towers

https://m2cracing.net/shop/shop.php#!/M2C-11004C-KAGAMA-FRONT-SHOCK-TOWER-CARBON/p/597369993
 
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