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Good idea, do you feed the steering servo off of it also? Servos rated for higher voltage would work better as well. I’ve considered the HW external BEC many times, actually have a couple of their cheap ones but they only output 6.0v max.
A voltage booster would not be able to provide enough amps for a steering servo. My ESC has an 8A voltage selectable BEC and I run the steering servo on 8v with a 1400uf cap pack to take up voltage sags I made from some 4700uf 16v Nichicon caps I had laying around and a section of Hansen Hobbies servo strip PCB. The servo is 70kg-cm and slightly oversized (40.4x21mm) and the lead interfered when installing it so I had to modify the servo mount to fit it. The servo can now be installed from the side rather that from the top without damaging the lead.

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A voltage booster would not be able to provide enough amps for a steering servo. My ESC has an 8A voltage selectable BEC and I run the steering servo on 8v with a 1400uf cap pack to take up voltage sags I made from some 4700uf 16v Nichicon caps I had laying around and a section of Hansen Hobbies servo strip PCB. The servo is 70kg-cm and slightly oversized (40.4x21mm) and the lead interfered when installing it so I had to modify the servo mount to fit it. The servo can now be installed from the side rather that from the top without damaging the lead.

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70kg!? LOL. With nothing but plastic connections to the front wheels I bet you can watch the plastics flex? I’m sure it’s an improvement over stock, but overkill. To each their own of course.👍🍻
 
70kg!? LOL. With nothing but plastic connections to the front wheels I bet you can watch the plastics flex? I’m sure it’s an improvement over stock, but overkill. To each their own of course.👍🍻

I also have a 1/6 scale power system in it (Castle 1717 motor and Mamba Monster X 8S). I feel that if you are going to go overpowered then you should lean into it.

The steering links are extremely thick and do not flex but the servo saver arm does slightly if the wheels are stalled. I have ordered an aluminum servo saver arm because of this. I bought this servo because the difference between the 70kg-cm and 47kg-cm version was $10 and the 70kg-cm is actually slightly faster and has helical gears so why not. I have read that realistically the dynamic torque on this servo is more like 58kg-cm and 70-kg-cm is static torque. It is basically the same servo as the Ypin AK-70KG but with a plastic top and helical gears. The AK-70KG has recently gone way up in price due to popularity

https://www.amazon.com/Rcmakl-Torque-GX3270BLS-Digital-Brushless/dp/B0DGD83PNV
 
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For $25 it's a lot of servo! 🤣

On a 1/8th scale rig, no one is going to need anywhere near 20 kg/cm of torque, let alone 70! But hey - having more torque than you ever need isn't necessarily a bad thing.

For most folk, until they upgrade the servo saver, all the torque in the world isn't going to change anything.

The servo here has reasonable speed, so at least should feel adequately responsive.

I'm used to steering servos in the 0.08-0.10 sec/60° range for 1/8th rigs, so for the saving, I could accept the extra weight and lower response.

I imagine there are speed oriented versions of the same servo with different internal gearing that trade torque for speed. Helical gears in a servo? That would trade some efficiency for some extra strength in the gear train. Not sure how the tiny bearings would hold up in a helical geared servo? 🤔

The last servo I purchased was a Protek 170 SBL - I got it for £84 ($115) - so servos are not an area where I tend to compromise. My Losi has just had an AGF A62BHS - that's a £72 ($99) servo, which is actually very budget friendly compared with typical racer's choice of KO and Sanwa offerings.
 
For $25 it's a lot of servo! 🤣

On a 1/8th scale rig, no one is going to need anywhere near 20 kg/cm of torque, let alone 70! But hey - having more torque than you ever need isn't necessarily a bad thing.

For most folk, until they upgrade the servo saver, all the torque in the world isn't going to change anything.

The servo here has reasonable speed, so at least should feel adequately responsive.

I'm used to steering servos in the 0.08-0.10 sec/60° range for 1/8th rigs, so for the saving, I could accept the extra weight and lower response.

I imagine there are speed oriented versions of the same servo with different internal gearing that trade torque for speed. Helical gears in a servo? That would trade some efficiency for some extra strength in the gear train. Not sure how the tiny bearings would hold up in a helical geared servo? 🤔

The last servo I purchased was a Protek 170 SBL - I got it for £84 ($115) - so servos are not an area where I tend to compromise. My Losi has just had an AGF A62BHS - that's a £72 ($99) servo, which is actually very budget friendly compared with typical racer's choice of KO and Sanwa offerings.
That servo is 0.10 sec 60 degrees at 7.4v and 0.09sec at 8.4v (I run it at 8v). Speed rating for servos are always zero load. So if you use a stronger servo than necessary you may get the same or better response speed from it than the weaker/faster one because the stronger servo will be less affected by load than the weaker one. I learned this from helicopter tail servos when I found that a 0.04 sec 17kg-cm tail servo servo out performed a 0.028 sec 9kg/cm servo at hard piro stops and keeping the tail from moving during high collective maneuvers.

Unlike more expensive servos Ypin servos do not have electronics silicone applied to the solder joints on the internal leads, but the design of the case makes this easy to correct (this servo specifically, servos with an all metal shell can make this difficult). Just pop off the top cap and the plastic lower gearbox (which sits on top of the metal center) to get access to the wires between the PCB and the pot and apply some goop to the solder joints on the pot wires at both ends and the main lead to protect against vibration. You can reassemble immediately and allow it to cure with the case closed, I would recommend putting the top and center pieces back together but leaving the bottom off overnight to allow some airflow and atmospheric moisture in to help cure the silicone. I used to use Chip Quick electronics silicone purchased from Digikey until I found Tian Mu 706 that's very similar and much cheaper: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801125199147.html

This is optional though, the servo will probably be fine if used as-is because the soldering isn't terrible (I would NEVER used a servo without glued down leads in air R/C however)

Also you must NEVER use silicone that isn't made for electronics use for this, most RTV silicones are acidic and you need a neutral cure silicone for electronics. Common construction silicone for example contains what is basicly concentrated vinigar to cure.
 
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That servo is 0.10 sec 60 degrees at 7.4v and 0.09sec at 8.4v (I run it at 8v). Speed rating for servos are always zero load. So if you use a stronger servo than necessary you may get the same or better response speed from it than the weaker/faster one because the stronger servo will be less affected by load than the weaker one. I learned this from helicopter tail servos when I found that a 0.04 sec 17kg-cm tail servo servo out performed a 0.028 sec 9kg/cm servo at hard piro stops and keeping the tail from moving during high collective maneuvers.

Unlike more expensive servos Ypin servos do not have electronics silicone applied to the solder joints on the internal leads, but the design of the case makes this easy to correct (this servo specifically, servos with an all metal shell can make this difficult). Just pop off the top cap and the plastic lower gearbox (which sits on top of the metal center) to get access to the wires between the PCB and the pot and apply some goop to the solder joints on the pot wires at both ends and the main lead to protect against vibration. You can reassemble immediately and allow it to cure with the case closed, I would recommend putting the top and center pieces back together but leaving the bottom off overnight to allow some airflow and atmospheric moisture in to help cure the silicone. I used to use Chip Quick electronics silicone purchased from Digikey until I found Tian Mu 706 that's very similar and much cheaper: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801125199147.html

This is optional though, the servo will probably be fine if used as-is because the soldering isn't terrible (I would NEVER used a servo without glued down leads in air R/C however)

Also you must NEVER use silicone that isn't made for electronics use for this, most RTV silicones are acidic and you need a neutral cure silicone for electronics. Common construction silicone for example contains what is basicly concentrated vinigar to cure.
Time will tell with your Ypin.

If they meet your requirements, that's really all that matters.

I'm very impressed with HiTec servos, which over the years have lasted well and were reasonably priced. My large scale aircraft are all still equipped with HiTec.

In all 7 of my cars in 2025, I'm running modern Protek 170 SBL, Protek 170 TBL, AGF 81BHMW and AGF A62BHS.

The performance, consistency, specifications have all been tried, tested and documented. Protek servos especially have an impressive portfolio of wins at the highest level of 1/8th racing. Ryan Mayfield & Adam Drake are just 2 high profile advocates.

AGF were one of the few servo manufacturers whose products actually exceed the stated specifications, according to a servo tester channel on YouTube.

Ultimately, a servo's functional purpose is relatively straightforward and modern servos are much, much better than the Acoms plastic geared things I started out with in my Sand Scorcher back in 1981! 🤣

These days I prefer my servos to be brushless, with hall effect potentiometers, high voltage (so they are over-spec when I run them on 6v), all alloy cases. Being waterproof is an added bonus, although I never immerse my rigs anyway.

Torque ratings on servos are ridiculous now. Racing my Savage on dirt and high traction grass, I used a 13kg steering servo turning 40 series tyres with a response of 0.13s/60°. It was good for the job. At that time, 13kg was considered crazy torque!

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But here we are, 2 decades later and it's now totally standard to run 30, 40, 50kg servos.

Do we need such crazy high numbers? No.

But does having more torque than you need hurt? Also no.

The market is flooded with crazy spec, Chinese servos. Buyer beware.
 
As far as cheap/budget servo's go, i've tried all of them. The few time i went for a A-brand i felt the difference wasnt worth the money for most applications.

The Yipin brand (pretty sure it's a rebrand of GXservo) has been the first in years that really surprised me and raised the bar on many levels. I started with a brushed helical gear servo and was pushed another couple of levels when i felt the brushless version. My favo is the red 55kg, which i now buy in bulk (€25) and am slowly replacing all servo's in my fleet.
As for the why/what it does, is not reflected in the specs. I'd say it really brings cars to life (on track). Having that extra accuracy and response when it matters.
 
As far as cheap/budget servo's go, i've tried all of them. The few time i went for a A-brand i felt the difference wasnt worth the money for most applications.

The Yipin brand (pretty sure it's a rebrand of GXservo) has been the first in years that really surprised me and raised the bar on many levels. I started with a brushed helical gear servo and was pushed another couple of levels when i felt the brushless version. My favo is the red 55kg, which i now buy in bulk (€25) and am slowly replacing all servo's in my fleet.
As for the why/what it does, is not reflected in the specs. I'd say it really brings cars to life (on track). Having that extra accuracy and response when it matters.
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Is this the one?

It has impressive specs:

Stall Torque(8.4V):57kg.cm
Stall Torque(7.4V):52kg.cm
Stall Torque(6V):40kg.cm
Operating Speed:(8.4)0.072sec60°
Operating Speed:(7.4)0.08sec60°
Operating Speed:(6V):0.095sec60°
Puise Width:500μs-2500μs
Motor:brushless
Dead band:2μs Ball Bearing: 6BB
Working Frequence:1520μs/330hz
Dimensions:40*21*50mm
Weight:100.8g

$72 - minimum order 2 + shipping.
 
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Is this the one?

It has impressive specs:

Stall Torque(8.4V):57kg.cm
Stall Torque(7.4V):52kg.cm
Stall Torque(6V):40kg.cm
Operating Speed:(8.4)0.072sec60°
Operating Speed:(7.4)0.08sec60°
Operating Speed:(6V):0.095sec60°
Puise Width:500μs-2500μs
Motor:brushless
Dead band:2μs Ball Bearing: 6BB
Working Frequence:1520μs/330hz
Dimensions:40*21*50mm
Weight:100.8g

$72 - minimum order 2 + shipping.

I was referring to this one, half the price with the 8.4v vs 7.4v being the main difference.

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I was referring to this one, half the price with the 8.4v vs 7.4v being the main difference.

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Gotya!

Decent spec and with plastic top & bottom so reduces cost whilst still retaining the heat dissipation from the CNC centre section.

Description
product size: 40.5*21*41.7mm
Net weight of product: 90g
Operating Voltage: 5.0-7.4V DC
Standby Current: ≤ 20mA
Stall Current 5.0V: ≤ 6A
Stall Current 6V: ≤ 7A
Stall Current 7.4V: ≤ 8A
No Load Speed 5.0V: ≤ 0.1 sec/60°
No Load Speed 6V: ≤ 0.09 sec/60°
No Load Speed 7.4V: ≤ 0.08 sec/60°
Max.Torque 5.0V: ≥ 45 kgf.cm
Max.Torque 6V: ≥ 50 kgf.cm
Max.Torque 7.4V: ≥ 55 kgf.cm
Rotating Direction: ccw(500~2500us)
Operating Travel Angle: 270±10°(500~2500us)
Neutral Position: 1500us
Reduction ratio: 1:299
Dead Band Width: ≤ 2us
Operating Temperature Range: -20℃~+80℃
waterproof rating: IP68

Features
- Metal Gear
- Semi-metal case
- Brushless motor
- IP68

It's a decent spec - not so easy to get hold of in the UK unless you buy through AliExpress - £22.21!! 😮 That's just $30.33!! Crazy stuff. I could get 4 of these for the price of my last Protek 170 SBL!! 😅
 
Gotya!

Decent spec and with plastic top & bottom so reduces cost whilst still retaining the heat dissipation from the CNC centre section.

Description
product size: 40.5*21*41.7mm
Net weight of product: 90g
Operating Voltage: 5.0-7.4V DC
Standby Current: ≤ 20mA
Stall Current 5.0V: ≤ 6A
Stall Current 6V: ≤ 7A
Stall Current 7.4V: ≤ 8A
No Load Speed 5.0V: ≤ 0.1 sec/60°
No Load Speed 6V: ≤ 0.09 sec/60°
No Load Speed 7.4V: ≤ 0.08 sec/60°
Max.Torque 5.0V: ≥ 45 kgf.cm
Max.Torque 6V: ≥ 50 kgf.cm
Max.Torque 7.4V: ≥ 55 kgf.cm
Rotating Direction: ccw(500~2500us)
Operating Travel Angle: 270±10°(500~2500us)
Neutral Position: 1500us
Reduction ratio: 1:299
Dead Band Width: ≤ 2us
Operating Temperature Range: -20℃~+80℃
waterproof rating: IP68

Features
- Metal Gear
- Semi-metal case
- Brushless motor
- IP68

It's a decent spec - not so easy to get hold of in the UK unless you buy through AliExpress - £22.21!! 😮 That's just $30.33!! Crazy stuff. I could get 4 of these for the price of my last Protek 170 SBL!! 😅
Question. Will a Max6 ESC, which has a 6 Amp BEC, be able to handle this servo with a stall current of 8 Amp at 7.4V?
 
Question. Will a Max6 ESC, which has a 6 Amp BEC, be able to handle this servo with a stall current of 8 Amp at 7.4V?
Probably not, which is yet another reason why not to run such monstrous servos in 1/8th rigs. 😅

To be safe, the servo would require it's own separate power source.

At 6v, it would be fine with my MMX. 👍
 
Probably not, which is yet another reason why not to run such monstrous servos in 1/8th rigs. 😅

To be safe, the servo would require it's own separate power source.

At 6v, it would be fine with my MMX. 👍
I figured. Thanks

When P=VxA, how can it be that servos draw more Amps at higher voltage?
 
Question. Will a Max6 ESC, which has a 6 Amp BEC, be able to handle this servo with a stall current of 8 Amp at 7.4V?
Max6v3 has a 6A continuous BEC, with peaks up to 25A.

With a working servo saver i wouldn't scared to run it on 6v. 7.4V might be a little risky, but my experience with HW the bec can take some serious punches. If your application draws too much (crawling for example) your receiver will tell its running short of power. The bec wont die instantly.
 
I figured. Thanks

When P=VxA, how can it be that servos draw more Amps at higher voltage?
The fundamental relationship between voltage (V), current (I), and resistance (R) is expressed as V = I * R. If resistance remains constant, increasing the voltage will increase the current, and decreasing the voltage will decrease the current.

So, given the same steering, same corner, same servo, same load - the servo will make more torque and be faster, thus generate more power on a higher voltage and in doing so draw more current.

The current draw of the servo is specified by the manufacturer at each voltage. My MMX delivers upto 8A, so running the servo on 6v would work for me, and with a margin of safety.

More importantly, I run the voltage my R603FS FASST receivers are happy with. They're rare as unicorn tears and not cheap to replace, so I spec servos that give me the response and torque I need at 6V. Old skool, but effective.
 
Another clear way of explaining the stall current:

This is the current drawn at the point where the servo can no longer hold the load. The higher the voltage, the greater the load required to stall the servo, so obviously the current drawn will be higher.

When we are working with loads, we generally work with power equations. So for the spec servo above,

P=V*I

7.4 * 8 = 59.2 watts
6.0 * 7 = 42.0 watts

Now the same servo on 7.4v delivering 42 watts would only be drawing 5.7A. This is where the confusion lies. 👍
 
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